Session Start: Sat Aug 09 18:59:19 2003 Session Ident: #pvpexalted Session Close: Sat Aug 09 18:59:19 2003 [18:59] * GoldenH sighs. don't make me bring in the Azure Empress. [18:59] * Kasumi has no fear of Hikari. [19:00] you should ^_^ [19:00] * Kraken is sure BM can come up with doom if you let him Kas...eevn if you dont..maybe especially if you dont [19:00] GH - you have to have hope of something for fear to take away. [19:00] Althena is doom wrapped within madness. [19:01] Therefore, I predict nothing. [19:01] * Jydan sees. [19:02] Eh, he'll probably just beat me senseless in combat for having the temerity to build a halfway competent Solar Duelist. I can cope - I get to RP the recovery, with the pain and the wincing, and the drinking and the ohfuckRaksinotnowpleaseI'mon-4. [19:02] lol [19:03] Whoo 8xp. Judge's Ear Technique, thank-you very much. [19:03] Raski has left now...and at least she isnt treating you like the marrige is still there, it just ahd a 1500 year pause... [19:03] * Kasumi knows. I was just a quick plaything. [19:03] Mmmmm.... A totally free Memory Reweaving Disipline, for one effect. [19:03] * Kraken will trade. [19:03] bad jydan! [19:03] The problem being lack of higher-App ablative armour type. [19:03] Jyd? No. [19:03] Awww..... [19:04] Kas? [19:04] You took app 5. [19:04] THERE IS NO HIGHER APP! [19:04] Everyone else can hide behind me when she's bored, but I was the dumb fuck with App 5/Temp 1. And tell that to Cicada, Fiat. [19:04] I don't think she realises beings with app below 7 are actually sentient. [19:05] That's a GH game. [19:05] Crack and monkeys distorting comparison? ;) [19:05] Comparing Cicada to normal games is like taking Barry Bonds back to little league. [19:05] Kas, dont feel so bad about the temp 1....raski was rolling enough dice witht the seductinate charm to seduce a temp 5 character in 4 rounds... [19:05] Again, it's Rakshi. You don't not get seduced by Rakshi. [19:06] You fake a heart attack. [19:06] You throw the table and jump out a window. [19:06] You don't sit there and be seduced. ^_^ [19:06] * Kasumi wonders exactly why she was wasting the ess, actually. [19:06] She could have just asked. [19:06] it saved time [19:07] Force of habit, not knowing what temp score someone has. [19:08] Hmmm... 1 mote Magiestic Radiant Presence..... [19:08] anyhow, we'll find out whats in the south, then head north and start conquering peoples [19:09] Sounds good. [19:09] DT was suggesting maybe we try and find the 5M shrike [19:09] * LeumasWhite (LeumasWhit@210-55-151-95.dialup.xtra.co.nz) has left #pvpexalted [19:10] * DarthTom was joking...but it is a possibility [19:10] You keep me away from the bloody shrike. [19:10] ugh [19:10] the game is TUESDAY ?! [19:10] FUCK [19:10] Do we even know it exists? ^_^ [19:10] * Jydan winks at DT. [19:10] I can get the normal airship back. [19:10] * Kasumi thinks that's the wrong way to go about it. Generally you need to grab the empire, then the Shrike, as it's less the Shrike itself, and more the resources needed to upkeep the bastard. [19:10] Kasumi? [19:10] Stop the crack. [19:10] If the Shrike wants to, it can be completely invincible forever. [19:10] ? you don't need any resources. [19:10] * DarthTom thinks the upkeep thing is silly. [19:10] it's the Shrike. [19:10] It regenerates essence faster than it spends it. [19:11] it has warp drive [19:11] it's in the book, but silly [19:11] Give me 8 XP and a place to stand, and I can steal the Realm's airship. [19:11] I mean, how epic is it having to bring your uber-airship into dry dock for 6 months at a time ? [19:11] Yes, but if you have to rely on the regen thing, it spends a year or two sitting in a volcano. [19:11] * Jydan thinks Shrike = Flightstrider. [19:11] It's called "Magma Kraken". [19:11] It has big long tentacles that grab things out of the air and let you swarm the decks. [19:11] * GoldenH shrugs. This airship is pretty much the Realm equivalent of the 5M shrike [19:12] * Fiat is not impressed. [19:12] yeah, and I think its a bit too high altitude iirc [19:12] for magma kraken tentacles [19:12] it can fly so high that you couldn't see it coming and so fast that it explodes things by missing them [19:12] unless it has one-way invincibility, it can be taken down. [19:12] At some point, it must land, at some point, the crew must be changed. [19:12] plus it has maybe 50 DBs on board [19:12] * Fiat shrugs. [19:13] Oh noes. [19:13] and lighning ballista [19:13] Oh noes. find me to shoot me. [19:13] the big sorcery essence flare ought to help fiat... [19:13] * Fiat shrugs. It's caled mobility and choosing your battlefield. [19:14] Not only that, unless the ballistae ring the damn thing, there are fields of fire it cannot cover. [19:14] Plus it has jynaru on board. [19:14] Gack. [19:14] * GoldenH gave him all the char sheets a while back... ^_^ [19:15] If some freak of a DB rips a lightning ballistae out of the ship and starts pumping out shots, I kill you. [19:15] mwahahahahaha [19:15] 50 Dbs? Whatever. [19:15] The question is - are they 50 punk kids, or 50 elite? [19:15] elite.... [19:15] ... [19:15] We don't ordinarily have enough to deal with 50 DBs. [19:15] you [19:15] gave [19:15] him [19:15] The question is if they have a Sid. [19:15] VANAL !? [19:15] If they don't have a Sid? [19:16] well... not the whole char sheets [19:16] That's like saying "20 Solars" only to find out it's the Eclipse sewing circle. [19:16] We have free reign with the Celestial. [19:16] * GoldenH figures there are 3 or 4 sids. [19:16] * Kasumi shrugs. Give me 30XP and I could take Vanal. [19:16] ...3 or 4. [19:16] Hmmm.... [19:16] you don't REALLY want to fight the Realm anyhow, do you? [19:16] Shit, *Zhang* could likely take Vanal, in the hands of someone a little less tactically braindead than myself. [19:16] I need to borrow Ikjarjuk. [19:16] Magma Kraken it down, throw ikjarjuk on board, run. [19:17] lol [19:17] "Hi, my name is Tac-nuke the Lunar. You die now." [19:17] yea, but eh likes the realm. [19:17] So do I. [19:17] why do you think he was arguing with Raksi? [19:18] I like fighting deathlords from the comfort of big whopping airship more. [19:18] I don't think there will be any Fire-Aspects-In-Warstriders-With-Reaver-Daiklaives jumping down from the airship to kill us with [19:18] eh.. [19:18] Iron Wolf will conquer the Haslanti, i'll get an airship or two [19:18] Bah to Ion Wulf. [19:18] I'm still going to kill him. [19:18] he's a four point ally ^_^ [19:19] An eventually dead 4 point ally. [19:19] maybe... [19:19] you can throw him at the Ebon Dragon when we go to malfeas [19:19] I have patience, and astrology. [19:19] He has "Making me think up something really good" prana. [19:20] heh [19:20] i'll be back..... [19:20] * GoldenH is now known as GoldenH|Cleaning [19:20] Whatever, Arnie. [19:20] Game at 9:00 Wednesday morning, my time? If the boss actually sticks to his normal routine, I might even play. [19:21] it's at 2 PM my time... [19:21] the problem ? [19:21] I'm at WORK until 6 [19:22] I cant, owing to RL mage game...finsihing up 16 weeks of plot, that could be summed up as 'jilted lover takes revenge' [19:22] This is why Exalted is good. It doesn't take so long. [19:23] * Kasumi shrugs - DT, we have here a game where it is greatly unlikely everyone will show up for every session. For instance, the Friday games are perfect for me, but horrible for Fiat. [19:23] yah [19:23] Koji and Jha will be passing acquaintances at best ;) [19:24] When you have characters with cruise missle arrows, who can jump miles at a time, and who soak mountains, things like bad breakups resolve quickly. [19:24] the sunday, monday, friday schedule was ideal for me... [19:24] but as soon as it hits tuesdays...it goes to HELL [19:24] This means Jydan and Ete will have all the XP in the world, but as they're only Lunars. [19:24] , who cares? [19:24] FU, Kas. [19:24] ah well much more happened that but vbasically everything we have done was engineeered by a centuries old mage turn kuen-ji to get back at an angel who dumped her [19:24] ... *twitch* [19:25] I want the head of your ST on a silver platter, so I can spit on it and send it back to the chef. [19:25] * Kasumi is kidding, we all love Lunars - the relevant question being did BM give you a break on charm costs? [19:25] Kuei Jin dating an Angel? Heretic! Burn the witch! [19:25] Nah. [19:25] MAGE turned Kuei-jin. [19:25] Then you likely need to be a shade ahead anyway. [19:25] * Fiat wants to know what the fuck is going on there. [19:25] Perfectly possible, Fiat, as long as it was an Asian mage. [19:26] Avatar goes off somewhere else, Hun goes to Yomi, P'o twiddles thumbs until Hun gets back. [19:26] I'm assuming he's talking tremere-ish wonky power-keeping Kuei-jin. [19:26] nah [19:26] That's slightly better. [19:26] Now I won't spit on it before sending it back to chef. [19:26] as far as I know anyway [19:28] * Fiat ponders breakups in the DB game... [19:28] well it has been a very fun game :) and my character now pretty much runs the supernatural in Manchester :) [19:28] How would Vanal deal with a breakup? [19:28] I can see how Cic would, and how Tabius would, but Vanal... [19:28] alcohol [19:29] and a fling [19:29] but lots of booze [19:29] Ah, well. [19:29] Cic would kill herself, man [19:29] Beats shooting them arrows. [19:29] Eh, you know she's hooked up with Bloom, right? [19:29] heh [19:29] * Fiat notes that she thrives of self-pity. Killing herself would end that. [19:30] question folks [19:30] As it stands, I get to tiptoe around the issue and shoot her in the head with fowling arrows. [19:30] Star Trek (sans Q-esque demigods) vs. Star wars ? [19:30] heh [19:30] Wars. [19:30] Hmm... I'd still choose Trek. [19:30] in a battle to the death [19:30] Trek, definately. [19:30] Jyd: why ? [19:31] Tech is better. [19:31] No fighters to take out the Death Stars and Star Destroyers. [19:31] and fiat, why ? [19:31] * Jydan just likes ST better. He was RAISED on it. [19:31] Star Wars, by about a million miles. [19:31] Size discrepancy, standing army discrepancy. [19:31] Trek has fiddly tech, it's not on the same scale. [19:31] The empires are so much more martial and battley than starfleet there's no way. [19:31] Jyd: tech is better ? [19:31] Crews are tiny and poorly armed/trained. [19:31] explain, please [19:32] They can teleport in and get carved up like dogs. Plus the Captain has to fight the main bad guy, who is probably Sith. [19:32] star trek ships could teleport bombs even antimatter bombs, onto SW ships though... [19:32] Nah. [19:32] SW ships have shields. [19:32] krak: SW ships DO have shields, you know [19:32] shields fuck with beaming. [19:32] The only, only group that could stand a chance is the Borg. [19:32] Not most of the fighters, though. [19:33] Plus Star Trek sucks pus through specially converted sewerage points. [19:33] why are you taking down your shields to blow up fighters? [19:33] The Borg can and would tear Star Wars a new one. [19:33] Fiat: Depends which borg [19:33] What fighters? Why would they bother deploying fighters when you have none? They'll just obliterate you with massed fire from their stonkingly huge navies. [19:33] TNG, or Voyager ? [19:33] I mean, fuck. Collective with force powers? [19:33] Star Trek has the Hazard Team. :) [19:34] Star Wars has PAge's Commandos, Rogue Squadron, the 18st Imerpal Bomber Squadron... [19:34] On top of that, the borg use those transwarp conduit things. [19:34] *imperial [19:34] Or any Jedi you care to name. [19:34] * DarthTom argues SW for 3 main reasons [19:34] Eh. Hazard Team beats all their asses. [19:34] 1) numbers [19:34] 2)industrial capacity [19:34] 3)speed [19:34] Star Wars wins because of a single word in each of their name. [19:35] Star TREK vs. Star WARS. [19:35] heh [19:35] A show about exploration vs. a series about giant wars. [19:35] Death Star vs. a Borg Cube, then [19:35] Who's going too have the military nastiness? [19:35] Eh, the cube. [19:35] the cube ? [19:35] Cube's not going to let the bigass laser hit them, if you land borg it's all over. [19:35] the Ds needs *one* *shot* [19:35] That's right, you're pitting some explorers vs a military-industrial complex that would have Hawke giggling like a schoolgirl. [19:35] point [19:35] Transwarp conduit. In, out. [19:36] Only one bigass laser, approach from the bad side. [19:36] yah, but it's bristlign with big guns and fighters, too [19:36] And the bigass laser takes like, 3 hours to shoot. [19:36] If a single fighter can take out a death star in one hit, the borg damn well can. [19:36] heh [19:36] okay then, a completed DS2 vs. a borg cuber [19:37] (they eliminated the fault on the second model) [19:37] Smart borg or series dumb borg? [19:37] And where is the battle? [19:38] empty star system in the middle of nowhere [19:38] no reinforcements for either [19:38] Is the Force in the Star System? [19:38] Borg, but close. [19:38] and for the record, I admit TNG borg could do it [19:38] Again, all the borg have to do is get somebody there. [19:38] VOYAGER Borg, though [19:38] Voyager borg were trippy and fucked up. [19:39] That's like those yuuzhan vong bastards with anti-lightsaber armor and immunity to the force. [19:39] Yeah, that's why I say if it's a SS without the Force, ST could win. [19:39] * DarthTom 's opinion on the Vong is well known [19:39] My rough guess is that you still get a borgified Death Star. [19:39] It doesn't matter if they lose the cube, if you get a small amount of borg on the Death Star, it's over. [19:39] * DarthTom would allow The Force, since it's integral to SW [19:39] okay [19:40] here's a different one [19:40] * Kasumi has never heard of the Vong, but I'm prepared to bet money that I agree with DT's opinion. [19:40] 5 borg cubes [19:40] vs. [19:40] a fleet led by Grand admiral Thrawn [19:40] Thrawn wins. [19:40] The Fleet. [19:40] Cubes. [19:40] who has had 5 months to study borg 'art' [19:40] The Fleet X2. [19:40] the fleet [19:40] He might be Borg-Thrawn at the end, but he'll continue to win. [19:40] Adaptable shields. [19:41] With a spread out set of forces, the borg are tactically fucked. [19:41] Didn't Thrawn have an interdictor? [19:41] * Kasumi loved Tie Fighter because you served under Thrawn. That was fantastic. [19:41] "Sit there and take it, bitch." [19:41] He's a grand admiral, he has whatever the fuck he wants [19:41] yeah. Thrawn. [19:41] There aren't enough borg. [19:41] Even if you lose a star destroyer, so what? [19:41] You've got more. [19:41] Interdictors, yes. Forgot about those....hmmmm.... [19:41] jyd: shields are no good vs. a guy who would ram the cubes with asteroids to win [19:41] interdict and ram the bastards. [19:41] Oooo. [19:41] Actually, no I didn't, I specifically wrote Navigate charms to counter them. [19:42] Rule one of combat: If you cannot move, you are fucked. [19:42] Thrawn is bascially a GOD of tactics and strategy [19:42] Now, given roughly equal numbers? [19:42] Borg win. [19:42] Borg win. Time travel, assimilate Thrawn as a toddler. :p [19:42] Attrition does fuck-all against the borg. [19:42] Jyd :NO TIME TRAVEL [19:42] that is a cop-out [19:42] * Jydan was kidding, anyway. [19:43] Basically, the Borg are the ONLY ones who can stand a chance. [19:43] Fiat :Ah, but now you see the beauty of imperial philosophy... [19:43] The Romulans don't have the manpower. [19:43] EVERYONE is expendable [19:43] * Fiat shrugs. Same thing for the borg. [19:43] "We've lost the system, sir." [19:43] "vaporize it." [19:43] Only they get stronger for everything they take. [19:43] okay [19:43] the sun crusher vs. a borg fleet... [19:44] I hate the Sun crusher. [19:44] so do I *g* [19:44] and the borg win. [19:44] probably [19:44] Anything that is a single target that can be assimiliated is a borg win. [19:44] point [19:44] and then, the galaxy ios FUCKED [19:44] The reason a fleet wins is that there are too many of them to be assimiliated. [19:44] Yah [19:45] okay... [19:45] Now, the most fun would be romulans vs. empire. [19:45] hmm [19:45] Cloaking. [19:45] CGTs [19:45] they're detected *g* [19:45] * Fiat shrugs. [19:45] well [19:45] lemme re-phrase [19:45] the rommies ambush the hell out of the imperials at first [19:45] Empire destroys everything the Romulans have ever looked at, and then accepts they'll have a minor guerilla problem? [19:45] heh [19:46] Does everyone have them? [19:46] Naw [19:46] And those warbirds are damned nasty. [19:46] they're roighly isd-sized [19:46] the only dman trek ships that are, actually [19:46] From the starfleet command 2 game... *shudder* [19:46] heh [19:46] You could take a warbird and beat whole fleets if you were smart about the charge time on disruptors. [19:46] the problem is this : SW ships are much, MUCH more strategically mobile than trek ships [19:46] * Fiat shrugs. [19:46] heh.... warbirds are bigger than borg cubes? [19:47] * Kasumi would have Darth take the SSD out to hunt the buggers down one by one. [19:47] * GoldenH|Cleaning is now known as GoldenH [19:47] no, they aren't [19:47] warp ten is easy to deal with then hyperspace. [19:47] easier, than. [19:47] warp ten has that nasty devolvign side effect, though [19:47] They changed that in voyager. [19:47] wha ? [19:47] there are several different warp 10s [19:47] They pulled a spinal tap in one of the episodes, went to 11. [19:47] oy [19:47] Really? That's strange.... [19:48] warp 10 is infinity by one standard... [19:48] * DarthTom thought 10 was infinitely fast [19:48] so warp 11 is just stoopid.... [19:48] GH? [19:48] it's like that spaceballs [19:48] VOYAGER. [19:48] it's your fault for bringing it up [19:48] Now, if you thought asteroids were bad? [19:48] Oh, my final theory as to why the Borg would lose ? [19:48] Janeway beat them [19:48] take a nice asteroid and point it at something at warp 10. [19:48] They got their butts [19:48] kicked [19:48] by [19:48] JANEWAYU [19:49] War on two fronts. [19:49] heh [19:49] Species 88somethingsomething which was made specifically to kick borg ass. [19:49] Janeway.... She had the Hazzard Team. [19:49] Species 8872.... SCARY AS SHIT. [19:49] enough abotu the fucking hazard team ! [19:49] and the shadows could kick 8472's ass [19:49] * Jydan loves the Hazard Team! [19:49] The Shadows aren't in star wars. [19:49] I know [19:50] the shadows vs. Trek ? *g* [19:50] And Babylon 5 gets it's ass roundly kicked by either franchise. [19:50] Oh, that I admit [19:50] But they look good even in defeat. [19:50] The Smurfs vs BF: Earth. [19:50] this is true [19:50] And act better, on a fraction of either budget. [19:50] Who wins? [19:50] Shadows > Non-borg Trek. [19:50] The borg always throw things off. [19:50] they'd put up a stiff fight vs. the borg, though [19:51] Bizzare cross-assimilation. [19:51] The end of the series and the virus shooty planet thing? [19:51] Aw yeah. [19:51] heh [19:51] watch it spread through the collective like wildfire. [19:51] The Smurfs vs BF: Earth. Who wins? [19:51] I wonder if the Borg could assimilate the hyper-evolved energy-being types? [19:51] * Fiat wouldn't think so... [19:51] Nothing for the nanites to grab onto. [19:51] Heh...Kosh vs. The Borg [19:52] Vorlons might fuck them right up, then. Or late B5 history humans, even. [19:52] hrm..... [19:52] It is all about the telepaths. [19:52] Yah [19:52] Do you have hive mind? [19:52] that's like asking if the borg could assimiliate Q [19:52] Yes, you do. [19:52] Ouch [19:52] Bester woudl fuck them up, wouldn't he ? [19:52] Do you have telepaths who can throw hive-mind beatdown? Yes, you do. [19:52] Lyta would rip them a new one, while the rest of the cast pulled up deckchairs. [19:52] bah.. if telepaths were useful at all, troi would actually have DONE something. [19:53] Troi was an empath. [19:53] troi was an empath [19:53] Bester doesn't do the black eyes thing. [19:53] point [19:53] what about her brother then? [19:53] Lyta is freaky [19:53] Not a full telepath by B5 standards. And Lyta is fucked up. [19:53] the one with reading Data's mind... [19:53] oh [19:53] I'd worry more about the telekinetic dude, though. [19:53] a technomage vs. the borg [19:53] Whatever his name was... [19:54] Borg. [19:54] Technomage gets his toys assimilated. Thank you, drive through. [19:54] one technomage? nada [19:54] * DarthTom would say the mage...computer virus, baby [19:54] He knows Borg coding? [19:54] point [19:54] And all alien computers accept viruses from mac powerbooks. [19:55] i'm sure he's got some powerbook software on him somewhere [19:55] I mean, he's a cyborg himself [19:55] Just makes him easier to assimilate. [19:55] point [19:55] Actually, I see him being assimilated to spread the virus...take 'em down with him, so to speak [19:56] "Hey! You! With the metal arm! You my bitch." *sprays nanite laced water out of the sprinklers* [19:56] Dead Bird! [19:56] okay [19:56] That, or they could just not put him in the collective and shoot him. [19:56] * Jydan ponders. I suppose that birds are full of gunpowder. [19:56] heh [19:56] Shooting works. [19:57] I've got something that can take the borg in a straight-up fight [19:57] not just take [19:57] DECIMATE [19:57] The Culture [19:57] yeah [19:57] Protoculture? From Macross? [19:57] no [19:57] The culture [19:57] Iain M banks [19:57] I shall quote from a book: [19:57]